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Abduction Digest, Number 61
Monday, May 11th 1992
(C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved.
Today's Topics:
Re: KOA Weird Night appearance
Re: Secret Life - Questio
Re: Scott Corder Md
Koa Program
Re: Koa Weird Night Appearance
Re: UFO Dream
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From: John.Powell@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Powell)
Subject: Re: KOA Weird Night appearance
Date: 4 May 92 07:46:00 GMT
-=> Quoting Peggy Noonan to David Jacobs <=-
PN> 1) the missing people really are physically missing, based on
PN> searches and family members reporting the missing to police...
I think I remember this being a very small percentage of the total
cases. If you come across this section in Jacob's book then please
correct me if I'm wrong. (I bet it is less than 10%.))
Thanks, John.
.. Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence
--
John Powell - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
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From: John.Powell@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Powell)
Subject: Re: Secret Life - Questio
Date: 4 May 92 07:46:00 GMT
-=> Quoting Linda Bird to John Powell <=-
LB> I don't know why aliens would be afraid of a mess, unless they have
LB> cleaned up a bunch of messes.
Well... If (just suppose) it is the mind that is abducted and the
unattended body left behind. Then rushing the abductee back to the body
prior to them wetting themselves would preserve the continuity of the
amnesia (or screen memory, or even actual memory). On the other hand,
waking up with missing time is kind of a nothing thing compared to
waking up in a puddle!
LB> I recall Budd Hopkins talking about mind abductions while I attended
LB> the Pensacola MUFON Conference in July 1990. While the aliens may be
LB> playing mind games, for some it is all too real, so it seems.
I think next year's MUFON Convention is going to be in Virginia! I'll
actually be able to attend.
The way I'm forcing myself to look at it right now is that it is perfectly
and completely real to be abucted in mind only. (I'm assuming, for
purposes of debate with myself, that there actually is a 'thing' called
'mind' and that therefore a duality exists with respect to the
phenomenon of consciousness and the physical body.) I also think it is
safe to say that most people, certainly myself included, are completely
unaware of this possible duality, completely unaware of the sensations
or perceptions associated with the possible experience of detaching the
'mind entity' from the 'body entity', and therefore (especially if the
detaching process was externally initiated) might not even know that all
subsequent perceptions and sensations were actually being filtered
through a mind-generated template of the physical body and not through
the physical central nervous system.
(That probably made absolutely no sense...<grin> I'm having a hard time
articulating these thoughts...)
I think my last message was incomplete, think it got grunged in the
conversion from XRS to QWK...
Anyway, the stigmatic phenomenon [SP] is documented. The phantom limb pain
phenomenon [PLPP] is documented. So, with SP we have the mind's ability
to cause all number of odd physical effects on the body purely by
thought initiation, and with PLPP we have the documented mind-generated
template of a body. So... ==> If _something_ is toying with the
template, but the mind isn't aware of that, perhaps it would kick in the
SP automatically thus creating some odd physical markings...
Maybe this helps explain why implants as of yet do not exist... (It
would _easily_ explain the floating-thru-window and invisibility
problems... Ditto for telepathy...)
This would completely change the meaning of the Staring Procedures as
described by Jacobs.
I don't necessarily believe this but I find it interesting...
Thanks, John.
.. Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence
--
John Powell - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Scott Corder Md
Date: 7 May 92 23:27:01 GMT
>anyone know? Anyway, Corder was among the strangest of the
>strange. I didn't know you wrote the OMNI article about him, I
>would have provided you with my Corder file, which is about an
>inch thick with correspondence from him, all showing one man's
>gradual descent into total insanity.
>The only good segment on that program was the abductions and
>the interview with Jacobs. Unfortunately, that was sandwiched
>between the Gulf Breeze lights and Corder. The Gulf Breeze
>lights are almost surely balloon-borne road flares. A Current
>having zero explanation, yet the first thing I thought of was
>"road flare." The things burned an incandescent, sparkly red
>for a while, then flashed white and winked out - EXACTLY what a
>road flare would do. Here's the unfortunate thing: A Current
Hi Jim,
Sorry to be so long sending a reply -- hubby has taken off work
and we've been going bonkers with redecorating (he does the outside,
I'm painting the inside ... making covers for furniture, getting rid
of about a boxcar load of packrat's junk [I'm the packrat so no one
else to blame but me] and so on.)
My Omni story on Corder never was published and I'm going to be
talking to the ed. about updating it, so I would indeed be very
interested in any file info you had on it if you'd still care to
share it. May I reimburse you photocopy/postage fees? I did talk
to the medical board guy about why they'd jerked his licence but off
the top of my head, I don't recall his reply...will have to check
the file for you.
Thanks for the great info!
And on the road flare UFOs, that's a pity. At least they are
considering UFOs, but it's more mud on the image than clarity.
Thanks, again!
==Peggy
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Koa Program
Date: 7 May 92 23:29:02 GMT
> Peggy, thank you for your kind words about my talk on the
>KOA program. As I remember, that show was on at 4:00 a.m.
>Denver time. It was hard to imagine that anybody would be
>listening at that time. It was difficult enough for me to get
>up at 6:00 a.m. to do the show. The best thing about the show
>for me was that Barber let me ramble on for much longer
>periods of time than do most interviewers. Therefore, I could
>pick up a head of steam a little. Anyway, thanks much.
> Via SPITFIRE Bulletin Board System - Version 3.1
'ramble on'? Only people who have little substantive to say
'ramble' -- your talk was absolutely fascinating. I thoroughly
enjoyed all of it and wished it could last longer. Perhaps Rick can
have you on the show again?
(BTW, that's one of the things I admire about the way he conducts
the program--he actually lets people ANSWER questions and explain
their positions, unlike many program hosts.)
Thank you, again, for such an enlightening presentation.
==Peggy==
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Koa Weird Night Appearance
Date: 7 May 92 23:34:03 GMT
> -=> Quoting Peggy Noonan to David Jacobs <=-
> PN> 1) the missing people really are physically missing, based on
> PN> searches and family members reporting the missing to police...
>
>I think I remember this being a very small percentage of the total
>cases. If you come across this section in Jacob's book then please
>correct me if I'm wrong. (I bet it is less than 10%.))
You're probably right about the book's contents, John. I haven't
read it yet (been tied up this week) and was only speaking from what
he'd said on the radio interview. I hope I didn't give an incorrect
representation in my enthusiasm, but I meant to convey that this
aspect (the missing being actually gone) was something new to me
however I recall nothing about the *number* of such cases -- perhaps
I discarded that as I heard it or perhaps it wasn't part of that
context, I can't say for sure now but could check the tape of that
program if it would help. I will be eager to read the book and *if*
I find anything to counter what you've mentioned, I'll pass it
along, however I'm sure you must be correct about the numbers (you
always are!) so I'll take your word for it. It was just the unusual
aspect of the validity that intrigued me...
Thanks, John!
==Peggy==
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Peggy Noonan - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: UFO Dream
Date: 5 May 92 21:42:00 GMT
LB> Did she describe what parts of these creatures she DID see?
I don't believe Lynn mentioned anything. I've asked her or her friend to
join us here.
jbh
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